Papua New Guinea Tribal Warfare. It basically made the game an ancients game instead of tribal warfare, which is more what I'm going for. He writes: Anthropologists debate whether the wars really arise from some deeper underlying ultimate cause, such as land or population pressure, but the participants, when they are asked to name a cause, usually point to a woman or a pig. Frankly, it smacks of Jared Diamond using this unfortunate individual as a sock-puppet for his own sociobiological predispositions. Unfortunately, I find Diamond’s reliance on the testimony of his subjects somewhat unreliable given what appears his tendency to put words in the Papuan’s mouth. Comment by Grumpy Old Man — November 3, 2008 @ 11:41 pm. I am going back to just foot figures for this game. We bring you exclusive reports/news of tribal conflicts in PNG - a culturally diverse nation with hundreds of distinct traditional social groups (tribes). TrackBack URI. Darwiniana » Jared Diamond and stealth sociobiology, https://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2008/11/03/jared-diamond-on-tribal-warfare-in-new-guinea/, New Yorker Magazine sued by slandered New Guineans « Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist, https://louisproyect.org/2011/10/04/steven-pinker-hobbes-pangloss/, https://louisproyect.org/2008/11/03/jared-diamond-on-tribal-warfare-in-new-guinea/, On John Gray’s critique of Steven Pinker | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist, Cheap Motels and a Hotplate (Michael Yates), Ken McLeod: Early Days of a Better Nation. ( Log Out /  This is a region with a justified reputation for recurrent rounds of tribal warfare. Further “economic development” left others without fishing rights. I’m not going to speculate on the reasons (biological, social, economic or other) that brought it to this place; just to say that it might be better to at least give a little credit to someone who’s lived in or visited the place (like Diamond) rather than speculating when you’ve never even been there. Dozens of peoples never sent out groups of men with the intent to kill others. Papua New Guinea Tribal Warfare. The mine there was shut in 1989, after a local revolt that used weapons considerably more modern than bows and arrows. I am a solo war gamer endlessly searching for old Peter Laing figures, and the perfect war-game rules to use with them. Tribal combat remains ubiquitous, especially in the troubled Southern Highland province of The thing is, you just kind of mentioned Jared’s point of view, and sort of made the point that you think it is nonsense, however you never actually explained why you think so. Yes the current impact of imperialism, government corruption and collusion etc in PNG is bad. They hold onto tradition and have a rich culture which provides an insight into the past I haven’t seen elsewhere to such depth. Just try to imagine a Papuan self-confessed killer using these formulations. I have lived with tribes in Mali, Swaziland, and Fiji and LOVE the opportunity to connect with these tribes on their terms. A major part of the Papua New Guinea culture is still tribal living. I put no stock in your opinion. However while not necessarily agreeing totally with diamond, I’m sorry to burst the balloon of your armchair philosophising. Furthermore, if Jared Diamond was truly interested in reducing the level of violence in New Guinea, he should start with the imperialist companies that have put these kinds of pressures on the indigenous peoples. Small ships full of tourists buy thousands of Sepik carvings from here every year. In light of the fact that the Iliad also claims that gods and goddesses took part in the fighting, Wilkie wonders how reliable a guide to history it is. So your article seems to claim that warfare is a recent or modern addition to Papua New Guinea, in fact that is exactly how it concludes. The evidence is pretty overwhelming that hunter-gatherers, subsistence agriculturalists, and pastoralists, all without the state, engaged in low-level warfare and feuds, seemingly desultory but with a very high death rate. This you concede to(which contradicts your article) and then go on to say that while you do accept that warfare existed there before modern times, it was not “tribal warfare”. 2.1K likes. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Using interviews with an ostensibly self-confessed killer, who is a member of the Handa clan, the innocent reader is led to believe that the highlands of Papua are a kind of a Rosetta stone for understanding wars and ethnic cleansing. Our way disturbs our day-to-day life; we won’t be comfortable for the rest of our lives; we are always in effect living on the battlefield; and those feelings go on and on in us. In order to induce us to do so, state societies and their associated religions and moral codes teach us that seeking revenge is bad. In an effort to exploit the region’s riches, native peoples have been slaughtered and driven into submission. However, I included cavalry into the rules. Tribal Warfare and "Ethnic" Conflict. Places. The feuding in the highlands, which usually involve slights such as a pig belonging to one clan ruining the garden of another clan, leads to a steady escalation of Hatfield-McCoy type confrontations that remind Diamond of the worst crimes of the 20th century: Indeed, his Papuan “confessor’s” bloodlust triggers memories of Diamond’s late father-in-law Jozef Nabel (a Jew) who refused at the list minute to wreak vengeance on Polish villagers who had killed his wife, sister and niece in pursuit of loot. If you are supposedly so concerned about the people of Papua New Guinea, use a picture of a typical Papua New Guinean, not a picture that seems to portray us as naive, stupid, primitive peoples. All in all, the people of Papua New Guinea have been subjected to the same kinds of quasi-genocidal onslaughts from Indonesia that the people of East Timor have suffered. 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